The Pre-Election Roller Coaster
For polling data released during the week of October 19-25, 2008, the partisan weighting targets will be 39.7% Democratic, 33.0% Republican, and 27.3% unaffiliated. For the preceding week, the partisan weighting targets were 39.3% Democratic, 33.0% Republican, and 27.7% unaffiliated.
You have to read the whole thing to understand where they are getting their numbers, but it confirms a lot of what I wrote last Wednesday. However, as I also said last week, these numbers do not take into account the large number of Republicans and Independents who re-registered as Democrats this year in order to take part in the Democrats primaries nor does it take into account the smaller number of Democrats and Independents who registered early on as Republicans to vote in the early Republican primaries.
While Rasmussen does not necessarily take this into account, they do (in a different article) talk about the reasons for the wide array of results in the multitude of polls out there.
At the core of this flap is a polling industry disagreement about the best way to deal with partisan identification in constructing a poll. Just about everyone agrees that party identification is one of the strongest indicators as to how a person will vote. A Republican is overwhelmingly likely to vote for a GOP candidate and a Democrat is overwhelmingly likely to do the opposite.
However, the challenge lies in finding the “right” mix of Republicans, Democrats, and unaffiliated voters. Some pollsters, including many academic and media pollsters, argue that partisan identification is fluid and changes frequently. This approach suggests that whatever partisan mix falls out from the results of a random sample is the “right” answer. In the case of the recent L.A. Times poll, this mix was 39% Democrats and 22% Republicans.
Polls that use this approach tend to produce a more volatile set of results (during Election 2004, one national firm reported results days apart that showed more than a ten-point swing in voter preference).
Others, including most political polling firms and Rasmussen Reports, argue that people rarely change their partisan affiliation (how many people do you know who consider themselves a Republican one day and a Democrat the next?)...
Under normal circumstances, that is a very valid question, but (as we all know) 2008 has been a far from normal year. This election has been a "long strange trip" and it will probably get stranger as we get closer to election day. However, it behooves us all to remember that the polls will only give us a small glimpse of the overall picture. While this glimpse leads us to suspect an overall royal blue picture, it could be that the overall picture is redder (in all the "right" places) than the polls think and that could cause their results to be off badly.
The bottom line is don't take it as a fore gone conclusion - this race is still wide open and with two weeks left (and if Senator Biden is still on the campaign trail) anything could and probably will happen.
Labels: Presidential Politics
4 Comments:
While I agree nothing is certain two plus weeks out, I think "wide open" is a bit of stretch.
If McCain wants to win this thing, he needs to find an issue that voters actually care about.
And having the likes of MN's Bachman making a fool of herself on the TeeVee in his name isn't exactly reeling them in either.
Anyway, if you're interested in polls, some of the best number crunching I've seen can be found at the 538 blog. What they conclude won't support your "wide open" delusions, but it's a realistic accounting of all national polling, including a reliability rating for pollsters based on previous accuracy.
Those interested: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/todays-polls-1021.html
By Jason The, at 1:23 AM
I've seen 538 and they are fairly decent. However, the one problem with the polls used is accuracy. For example, the RCP average in PA has Obama up 11 points. A seemingly insurmountable lead right? However, the internals show a different story.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/15/05041/703/752/630799
Not the source Jason - not a "right wing noise machine" outlet. Now the methodology of these kinds of polls that 2 points is outside the MOE (MOE on these kinds of polls is generally less than 1%) but it does show that the race is more in play than the polls indicate.
LL
By The Lady Logician, at 10:43 AM
You say, "these numbers do not take into account the large number of Republicans and Independents who re-registered as Democrats this year..."
Ah, but does it take into accounth those Democrats tricked into re-registering as Republicans? From the Los Angeles Times:
"It is a bait-and-switch scheme familiar to election experts. The firm hired by the California Republican Party -- a small company called Young Political Majors, or YPM, which operates in several states -- has been accused of using the tactic across the country.
Election officials and lawmakers have launched investigations into the activities of YPM workers in Florida and Massachusetts. In Arizona, the firm was recently a defendant in a civil rights lawsuit. Prosecutors in Los Angeles and Ventura counties say they are investigating complaints about the company.
The firm, which a Republican Party spokesman said is paid $7 to $12 for each registration it secures, has denied any wrongdoing and says it has never been charged with a crime."
Lord knows how many other voters have been duped, but hey -- ACORN!
By Anonymous, at 11:19 AM
Anonymous - you do not want to go down that road. Because if you do I will have to bring up the FACT that a disabled man had his vote STOLEN by an Obama supporting poll assistant (the disabled man said he wanted to vote McCain and watched the polling assistant mark his vote for Obama)
http://www.walb.com/Global/story.asp?s=9177991
or the elderly woman in Ohio who is accused of assaulting another poll worker after he CAUGHT HER changing a nursing home residents ballot.
http://www.ohio.com/news/30930849.html
We could go on with both sides but I think I made my point (in response to your comment)
The LARGER POINT of my post which you so blithely ignored is that there is a whole lot of variables in the voter identification process that pollsters use that makes their process flawed!
But then again why let a little thing like FACTS get in the way of a good partisan slam right?????
LL
By The Lady Logician, at 11:42 AM
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