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Thursday, July 09, 2009

Cap And Trade Postponed

In light of Brave Sir Harry postponing a vote on cap and trade until after the summer recess (in hopes of people forgetting about it no doubt) I thought I would bring you even more documentation as to why this is a bad bill that must be stopped at all costs.

First comes this from the Washington Post.

The Congressional Budget Office recently estimated that the resulting increases in consumer prices needed to achieve a 15 percent CO2 reduction -- slightly less than the Waxman-Markey target -- would raise the cost of living of a typical household by $1,600 a year. Some expert studies estimate that the cost to households could be substantially higher. The future cost to the typical household would rise significantly as the government reduces the total allowable amount of CO2.

Americans should ask themselves whether this annual tax of $1,600-plus per family is justified by the very small resulting decline in global CO2. Since the U.S. share of global CO2 production is now less than 25 percent (and is projected to decline as China and other developing nations grow), a 15 percent fall in U.S. CO2 output would lower global CO2 output by less than 4 percent. Its impact on global warming would be virtually unnoticeable. The U.S. should wait until there is a global agreement on CO2 that includes China and India before committing to costly reductions in the United States.

This is not $1600 per year for the family making over $250,000 a year - this is for the AVERAGE FAMILY OF 4 and the average family of 4 living in the United States of America makes a whopping $61,000 a year! So much for that campaign promise.

Meanwhile, The Heritage Foundation found this little gem.

At yesterday’s hearing before the Senate Environment Public Works Committee,

EPA Administrator Jackson confirmed an EPA analysis showing that unilateral U.S. action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions would have no effect on climate. Moreover, when presented with an EPA chart depicting that outcome, Energy Secretary Steven Chu said he disagreed with EPA’s analysis.

“I believe the central parts of the [EPA] chart are that U.S. action alone will not impact world CO2 levels,” Administrator Jackson said.

Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.) presented the chart to both Jackson and Secretary Chu, which shows that meaningful emissions reductions cannot occur without aggressive action by China, India, and other developing countries. “I am encouraged that Administrator Jackson agrees that unilateral action by the U.S. will be all cost for no climate gain,” Sen. Inhofe said. “With China and India recently issuing statements of defiant opposition to mandatory emissions controls, acting alone through the job-killing Waxman-Markey bill would impose severe economic burdens on American consumers, businesses, and families, all without any impact on climate.”

So let me get this straight - it will cost us $1600 per family AND it won't impact the climate one iota????? If that is the case then why are we even dealing with this? Jason - Richard, any defense of this???????

UPDATE: Another "cure" for global warming gets shot down (HT
HA).

It’s a beautiful theory — highways full of electric cars emitting no greenhouse gases or pollutants after being plugged into an outlet in our garages overnight. The problem, according to a new Government Accountability Office report, is that the effort may only shift the problem somewhere else.

“If you are using coal-fired power plants, and half the country’s electricity comes from coal-powered plants, are you just trading one greenhouse gas emitter for another?” asks Mark Gaffigan, co-author of the GAO report. The report itself notes: “Reductions in CO2 emissions depend on generating electricity used to charge the vehicles from lower-emission sources of energy.”

The GAO report says a plug-in compact car, if recharged at an outlet drawing its power from coal, provides a carbon dioxide savings of only 4% to 5%. If the feeling of saving the environment from driving an electric car causes people to drive more, that small amount of savings vanishes entirely.

It's a point that I have tried to make in the past. I'm glad to see that the GAO has the data to back it up!

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5 Comments:

  • LL--

    I do not support Waxman-Markey, so don't expect me to defend it. It's a mess, a multi-billion-dollar subsidy to polluters. Worse than no bill at all. I agree with Martin Feldstein that giving away permits would be a huge mistake.

    However, with respect to the alleged $1,600 "energy tax," the CBO made no attempt to factor in rebates.

    As I have pointed out previously here, Paul Krugman costs out the CBO estimate at 18 cents a day per person.

    An EPA analysis of the bill found that "[t]he cap and trade policy has a relatively modest impact on U.S. consumers assuming the bulk of revenues from the program are returned to household[s]," and it estimated the average cost per household to be between $98 and $140 per year.

    Let me ask you, what is the cost per family if this planet becomes unlivable? Space travel is really, really expensive, you know!

    In Spain you can already buy a solar-powered house that uses no outside electricity, and also generates enough to recharge your electric car.

    By Blogger rmwarnick, at 1:03 AM  

  • You've got enough assumptions in there to drive a solar-powered truck through. First you assume that there is a global climate catastrophe looming, then that something we puny humans can do will change that in some substantial way and third, that the cost of preventing that problem is insignificant compared to the problem. NONE of these things are objectively true.

    The globe has been cooling for the last 11 years, while CO2 continues to rise. The computer models predicting the catastrophe are busted and no good for the formulation of policy. There is no evidence that human-caused CO2 is driving atmospheric CO2. There are numerous studies (confirming simple common sense) that limiting human CO2 would cost trillions of dollars, millions of jobs, and hundreds of thousands of needless human deaths.

    To your specific examples, what you do with the humongous taxes doesn't matter, they are still taxes. Giving them back to the people that paid them is not only wasteful and unnecessary, but distorts what should be a free market in energy. Spending them on anything else is worse.

    The cost of a solar powered home in Spain will be paid back in roughly 30 years. In most of the US, the number is closer to 60. Using alternative energy because it saves money just makes sense, and if it produces less CO2 that can be considered a side benefit, unless you want crops to grow better. But paying more than necessary for energy to avoid a problem that simply does not exist, well...

    J. Ewing

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:10 AM  

  • The elephant in the room (other than can vain mankind really dramatically change the climate) is the one truly clean alternative to coal fired electricity. You want to talk alternatives Richard - let's look at the FACT that France generates enough clean electricity from it's nuclear plants to not only power their own country but they sell excess to their neighbors in Europe. Let's talk about the FACT that JAPAN generates almost all of it's electricity from nuclear energy even though they are on the "Ring of Fire". We rule out this clean alternative based on 40 year old science - ignoring the safeguards that have been developed in the wake of Three Mile Island and Chernyobl. Why is that Richard?

    LL

    By Blogger The Lady Logician, at 10:25 AM  

  • LL--

    Are you actually abandoning climate change denialism, or just dredging up nuclear to confuse the issue?

    Nuclear is by far the most expensive way to generate electricity. Wind and solar are by far the cheapest. It makes no economic sense to build more nuclear plants, and let's not forget that Congress made the taxpayers responsible for the (unknown) costs of high-level nuclear waste disposal.

    When commercial fusion power plants are ready, we can talk about building those. If they make economic sense.

    By Blogger rmwarnick, at 12:01 AM  

  • Richard - I have said all along that the CLIMATE CHANGES! What I do not agree with is your sides idiotic claim that mankind is responsible for something that has been around longer than mankind has been on the planet! But way to defuse your illogical arguments by throwing out names...

    When you do an apples to apples comparison of nuclear power and solar and wind power, nuclear is by far the cheapest. The cost of storing spent fuel is calculated into the cost per kilowatt hour. Take away the massive federal subsidies that wind and solar get AND YOU ADD the cost of back up generators (to keep wind turbines moving on non-windy days)AND the cost of getting the generated power FROM the wind or solar generators TO WHERE THE POWER IS NEEDED solar and wind are far more expensive. I'll have hard figures for you in the next couple of days as I have a call in to someone who knows this inside and out.

    Oh and let me add one huge downside of wind power - the cost of LITIGATING to get power transmission lines run because the same environmental movement that is demanding we switch to wind power will not let us BUILD THE TRANSMISSION LINES NEEDED to get the power out of the wind farms!

    LL

    By Blogger The Lady Logician, at 9:56 PM  

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