3rd CD Debate Hour 2
They are still taking calls on the economy right now - had a couple of democrat seminar callers who were more interested in pontificating instead of answering questions which took up time. Hopefully after this break we will get into the immigration question.
The last seminar caller brought up Iraq which lead to a couple of questions to the candidates from Mark. Jason's answer was typical - support the troops let them finish their jobs, it was no accident that we have not been attacked since 9/11. Bennion's answer was equally typical - bring the troops home now we can't do any more. Jim agreed with Jason.
Now on to the hot topic of illegal immigration. What would you do about Illegal Immigration - Jim first.
JN - 13 citizens a day are killed illegals driving drunk - 13 a day murdered by illegals. Need to secure border. Those that are here must get liberty card that allows him to get his affairs in order before leaving the country. Would finish the wall and nationalize Mexican assets in US in order to pay for border enforcement.
BS - guest worker program, secure borders and we need to give border states more resources in order to enforce the border.
More after the break (ooooo Van Hagar outro....)
We're back and on to Jason Chaffetz.
JC - The current status quo is a very immoral position. 7 point plan that starts with fixing legal immigration and no fence will work if we don't fix that. No amnesty - no pathway to citizenship. Fix visa situation - enforce current laws. Give business the tools to hire legally without being ICE.
MM: You were on another show recently and I guess it got heated. The host was going to walk out on you. Why?
JC: Because I support enforcing the current law. There are fugitive aliens that we need to find and deport....these are people who broke other laws and were ordered to be deported and I want that enforced. Talked about the designation on aliens from countries other than Mexico and how the majority of them are from countries that are state sponsors of terrorism.
JN: talked about how this generation of immigrants has not assimilated and how they turn to the first person who promises them goodies and expands the welfare rolls. Talked about SPP and NAFTA.
BS - brought up the razorwire tent cities. We need guest worker program so that we know who is here.
MM: don't we racially profile anyway?
BS: I am not sure we should be doing that but we do. I am hearing double speak from Jason.
JC: Are you or are you not going to support the law? If we do, some of these criminals are women...what are you going to do?
MM: enforcing the law is not pretty - if you can't do the time, don't do the crime....and commercial break.
MM: Jim Noorlander brings up a good point that neither presidential candidate wants to close the border - we don't want to hire people without checking out their background. Bennion I want to press you on this...if you are going to enforce the law are you going to look for people with an Australian accent or are you going to look at Hispanics. What are you going to do with the 650,000 people who are criminal aliens?
BS: We need guest worker program...
MM:what do we do with the criminals we can't put them in already overcrowded prisons?
BS: we don't need to go back to the barbaric practice of tent cities a la Japanese internment camps.
JC: that has nothing to do with what we are talking about here. This is not about WWII internment camps - this is about enforcing our laws.
Back to callers. One caller wanted to talk about "evangelical interference" in the elections.
MM: Do you think that there is too much involvement with Christians in the process? (more on this from me later)
JC: I think we need to remember that we are "one nation under God". We need to remember that we are a Christian nation. Mentioned that the Democrats are pushing an agenda that does not line up with a majority of Christians.
BS: I am pro-life, pro-second amendment - Democrats do not have the same litmus test that Republicans have (excuse me?)
JN: quoted Patrick Henry that this country was not founded by "religionists" but by Christians and not by multiple religions but by Christians!
MM: Take the jobs away and they won't come.
BS: renegotiate NAFTA. We enacted NAFTA and it took away Mexican jobs.
Jason and Jim both agreed.
MM: NAU and SPP - is it real?
JN: Yes it is real....commercial break...back - go to the book "Tragedy and Hope" it's all there.
JC: - yes it is real and I want to shut it down.
BS: It's real we have to shut it down it has already done enough damage but we need to focus on our financial dealings with China and India.
MM"Quickly the Patriot Act your thoughts.
JC: Opposed - there were parts that were good, but it is an overall bad bill that needs to go away.
BS: Opposed to it.
JN: I would have it repealed as it goes against the 4th and 5th Amendment.
Caller - economy and immigration go hand in hand support our local business - quit supporting businesses that take jobs overseas.
Caller - what about Afghan poppy fields? Everyone agreed - destroy them and quit propping up an enonomy that is hurting our kids.
That is the end of the show. It was a fascinating debate. I will write a post with my thoughts on the debate later.
The last seminar caller brought up Iraq which lead to a couple of questions to the candidates from Mark. Jason's answer was typical - support the troops let them finish their jobs, it was no accident that we have not been attacked since 9/11. Bennion's answer was equally typical - bring the troops home now we can't do any more. Jim agreed with Jason.
Now on to the hot topic of illegal immigration. What would you do about Illegal Immigration - Jim first.
JN - 13 citizens a day are killed illegals driving drunk - 13 a day murdered by illegals. Need to secure border. Those that are here must get liberty card that allows him to get his affairs in order before leaving the country. Would finish the wall and nationalize Mexican assets in US in order to pay for border enforcement.
BS - guest worker program, secure borders and we need to give border states more resources in order to enforce the border.
More after the break (ooooo Van Hagar outro....)
We're back and on to Jason Chaffetz.
JC - The current status quo is a very immoral position. 7 point plan that starts with fixing legal immigration and no fence will work if we don't fix that. No amnesty - no pathway to citizenship. Fix visa situation - enforce current laws. Give business the tools to hire legally without being ICE.
MM: You were on another show recently and I guess it got heated. The host was going to walk out on you. Why?
JC: Because I support enforcing the current law. There are fugitive aliens that we need to find and deport....these are people who broke other laws and were ordered to be deported and I want that enforced. Talked about the designation on aliens from countries other than Mexico and how the majority of them are from countries that are state sponsors of terrorism.
JN: talked about how this generation of immigrants has not assimilated and how they turn to the first person who promises them goodies and expands the welfare rolls. Talked about SPP and NAFTA.
BS - brought up the razorwire tent cities. We need guest worker program so that we know who is here.
MM: don't we racially profile anyway?
BS: I am not sure we should be doing that but we do. I am hearing double speak from Jason.
JC: Are you or are you not going to support the law? If we do, some of these criminals are women...what are you going to do?
MM: enforcing the law is not pretty - if you can't do the time, don't do the crime....and commercial break.
MM: Jim Noorlander brings up a good point that neither presidential candidate wants to close the border - we don't want to hire people without checking out their background. Bennion I want to press you on this...if you are going to enforce the law are you going to look for people with an Australian accent or are you going to look at Hispanics. What are you going to do with the 650,000 people who are criminal aliens?
BS: We need guest worker program...
MM:what do we do with the criminals we can't put them in already overcrowded prisons?
BS: we don't need to go back to the barbaric practice of tent cities a la Japanese internment camps.
JC: that has nothing to do with what we are talking about here. This is not about WWII internment camps - this is about enforcing our laws.
Back to callers. One caller wanted to talk about "evangelical interference" in the elections.
MM: Do you think that there is too much involvement with Christians in the process? (more on this from me later)
JC: I think we need to remember that we are "one nation under God". We need to remember that we are a Christian nation. Mentioned that the Democrats are pushing an agenda that does not line up with a majority of Christians.
BS: I am pro-life, pro-second amendment - Democrats do not have the same litmus test that Republicans have (excuse me?)
JN: quoted Patrick Henry that this country was not founded by "religionists" but by Christians and not by multiple religions but by Christians!
MM: Take the jobs away and they won't come.
BS: renegotiate NAFTA. We enacted NAFTA and it took away Mexican jobs.
Jason and Jim both agreed.
MM: NAU and SPP - is it real?
JN: Yes it is real....commercial break...back - go to the book "Tragedy and Hope" it's all there.
JC: - yes it is real and I want to shut it down.
BS: It's real we have to shut it down it has already done enough damage but we need to focus on our financial dealings with China and India.
MM"Quickly the Patriot Act your thoughts.
JC: Opposed - there were parts that were good, but it is an overall bad bill that needs to go away.
BS: Opposed to it.
JN: I would have it repealed as it goes against the 4th and 5th Amendment.
Caller - economy and immigration go hand in hand support our local business - quit supporting businesses that take jobs overseas.
Caller - what about Afghan poppy fields? Everyone agreed - destroy them and quit propping up an enonomy that is hurting our kids.
That is the end of the show. It was a fascinating debate. I will write a post with my thoughts on the debate later.
Labels: Bennion Spencer, Jason Chaffetz, Jim Noorlander
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